Polo5
Aug 19, 03:03 PM
Man I love this forum....I have a facebook account.....but me nuh ediat:D
+1 I too!
If you use this, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. No debate or discussion.
Just because it applies to u it doesnt mean it applies to everybody
Update from Facebook:
http://imgur.com/woD2N.png
Facebook, why not roll out the service first and THEN do the app update? The way you ar� doing it only creates confusion. My 2 cents
+1 I too!
If you use this, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. No debate or discussion.
Just because it applies to u it doesnt mean it applies to everybody
Update from Facebook:
http://imgur.com/woD2N.png
Facebook, why not roll out the service first and THEN do the app update? The way you ar� doing it only creates confusion. My 2 cents
Applespider
Oct 20, 05:05 AM
I really don't recall there being much of a line for Tiger. I think I got into town about quarter to 6 and still got in and picked up my copy of Tiger and a scratchcard within minutes of 6pm.
christian_k
Apr 28, 08:56 AM
When developers download and install Lion from the App Store, it does create a recover partition. No need to burn it to a disk or restore to USB, but of course you can if you want.
I would gladly pay a $15 premium to get Lion on a flash drive. DVD-based installs are just too slow and painful.
I think theys should offer it on flash drive as an option at least.
Imageine you have an 11'' MBA with 64 GB SSD:
- Space too tight for an additional recovery parition
- No drive to burn installation disc, maybe no USB drive for the MBA if you used another computer to do it.
- Possibly no 8GB+ flash drive at home to create a bootable yourself
. Panic recovery: MBA does not boot anymore. Install 10.5 from flash drive, download 10.6, update to 10.6 -> very long time
- Installation via HTTP/FTP: Dangerous when upgrading. If your connection fails during update your system is in an unpredictable state
- Many people in many places still do not have internet access fast enough to download a multi GB OS or they have volume caps.
Christian
I would gladly pay a $15 premium to get Lion on a flash drive. DVD-based installs are just too slow and painful.
I think theys should offer it on flash drive as an option at least.
Imageine you have an 11'' MBA with 64 GB SSD:
- Space too tight for an additional recovery parition
- No drive to burn installation disc, maybe no USB drive for the MBA if you used another computer to do it.
- Possibly no 8GB+ flash drive at home to create a bootable yourself
. Panic recovery: MBA does not boot anymore. Install 10.5 from flash drive, download 10.6, update to 10.6 -> very long time
- Installation via HTTP/FTP: Dangerous when upgrading. If your connection fails during update your system is in an unpredictable state
- Many people in many places still do not have internet access fast enough to download a multi GB OS or they have volume caps.
Christian
leekohler
Mar 12, 09:31 AM
The KIA Forte Koup, in red, is a nice looking little car, IMHO.
And when are you going to settle-down, you rake?? ;)
No four door cars! And I will settle down when I find a nice young man who doesn't annoy me. Preferably one who likes to play hockey or some other sport.
I'm not going for 100% US-made. I'd like something designed and assembled in the US with a US-made frame.
American carmakers don't really do "sexy" anymore, unless you find trucks and SUVs sexy. Ponycars are pretty much your only option.
Hence the Camaro or the Challenger. The Mustang? Meh. It looks clunky. Not that I don't appreciate Ford's attempt to bring back a classic design and update it, but the car looks like crap, TBH. Something just isn't right. They got the Thunderbird right, but priced it out of reach.
Well, I know if I had to buy a new car now, the Hyundai Genesis coupe would be on my short list. I would definitely take one out for a test drive at the very least.
That's kind of cute. Do they make a convertible?
They don't come any sexier than an American Corvette
Another near miss. They ruined it when they got rid of the covered headlights.The 2004 model was the last good one, IMO.
Just found this Mustang concept that is making the auto show rounds. This will be cool if they actually do it.
And when are you going to settle-down, you rake?? ;)
No four door cars! And I will settle down when I find a nice young man who doesn't annoy me. Preferably one who likes to play hockey or some other sport.
I'm not going for 100% US-made. I'd like something designed and assembled in the US with a US-made frame.
American carmakers don't really do "sexy" anymore, unless you find trucks and SUVs sexy. Ponycars are pretty much your only option.
Hence the Camaro or the Challenger. The Mustang? Meh. It looks clunky. Not that I don't appreciate Ford's attempt to bring back a classic design and update it, but the car looks like crap, TBH. Something just isn't right. They got the Thunderbird right, but priced it out of reach.
Well, I know if I had to buy a new car now, the Hyundai Genesis coupe would be on my short list. I would definitely take one out for a test drive at the very least.
That's kind of cute. Do they make a convertible?
They don't come any sexier than an American Corvette
Another near miss. They ruined it when they got rid of the covered headlights.The 2004 model was the last good one, IMO.
Just found this Mustang concept that is making the auto show rounds. This will be cool if they actually do it.
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mischief
Sep 19, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by alex_ant
And in other news, Hell has just frozen over. More details as they emerge.
You're being particularly pissy today and rather down on the Mac. Wassup?:confused:
And in other news, Hell has just frozen over. More details as they emerge.
You're being particularly pissy today and rather down on the Mac. Wassup?:confused:
peskaa
Mar 20, 11:32 AM
Anyone actually seen one?
Gamestop said they'll have a demo kiosk the day after the launch...
Yep, tried one out yesterday, local store had a demo unit. The build quality is pretty good, although it looks very plastic and childlike compared to the iPhone/iPod Touch/NGP that are much more 'adult'.
I couldn't see the 3D as expected (vision problems in one eye), but the other half wasn't overly impressed. The re-focusing needed to go from the bottom screen to the top is just tiring on the eyes, and you really do have to hold the 3DS at a specific angle to get the effect.
The augmented reality was pretty cool (even without 3D) though, but certainly not enough to sell me a console.
Gamestop said they'll have a demo kiosk the day after the launch...
Yep, tried one out yesterday, local store had a demo unit. The build quality is pretty good, although it looks very plastic and childlike compared to the iPhone/iPod Touch/NGP that are much more 'adult'.
I couldn't see the 3D as expected (vision problems in one eye), but the other half wasn't overly impressed. The re-focusing needed to go from the bottom screen to the top is just tiring on the eyes, and you really do have to hold the 3DS at a specific angle to get the effect.
The augmented reality was pretty cool (even without 3D) though, but certainly not enough to sell me a console.
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kurtster
Apr 24, 04:37 AM
That's pretty cool. Trust Sony to push the envelope like that.
Squonk
Nov 14, 09:39 AM
i had been expecting something huge like this to come out today... and i'm expecting bigger still...
Right on! Apple is going to mitigate the media flurry around the Zune. "Brownie, you are doing a heck of a job..."
how long till somebody makes an adaptor for the zune to make use of the apple dock connector?
That does get to the heart of the matter doesn't it. The airlines and auto manufactures, and heck the audio industry is not going to want to support multiple interfaces... Will there be a standard? HA! Fat chance. Adapters - maybe. I need the zune to iPod dock port dongle... Wait, I won't need one - I'm a podder.
Right on! Apple is going to mitigate the media flurry around the Zune. "Brownie, you are doing a heck of a job..."
how long till somebody makes an adaptor for the zune to make use of the apple dock connector?
That does get to the heart of the matter doesn't it. The airlines and auto manufactures, and heck the audio industry is not going to want to support multiple interfaces... Will there be a standard? HA! Fat chance. Adapters - maybe. I need the zune to iPod dock port dongle... Wait, I won't need one - I'm a podder.
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Val-kyrie
Oct 12, 09:34 AM
NO? cos that would make it a MBP
I would love to see either a 13" MBP or a 13" MB with the option for discrete graphics, though a lower quality card (e.g. Rad X1300/1400 compared to the MBP Rad X1600). My preference would be for the 13" MBP as I prefer the compactness of the 13" form factor but would use the ExpressCard slot (for a modem and ESATA card interchangeably)--yes, I live in BFE :( and have no access to high-speed connections--and I don't see Apple offering a MB with an ExpressCard slot AND discrete graphics. I would pay around 1700 or so for such a set-up, which would be about right in light of the pricing for the MBP 15"
I would love to see either a 13" MBP or a 13" MB with the option for discrete graphics, though a lower quality card (e.g. Rad X1300/1400 compared to the MBP Rad X1600). My preference would be for the 13" MBP as I prefer the compactness of the 13" form factor but would use the ExpressCard slot (for a modem and ESATA card interchangeably)--yes, I live in BFE :( and have no access to high-speed connections--and I don't see Apple offering a MB with an ExpressCard slot AND discrete graphics. I would pay around 1700 or so for such a set-up, which would be about right in light of the pricing for the MBP 15"
bankshot
Aug 14, 04:21 PM
I feel embarrassed watching them.
Exactly. I find the Mac character to be very smug and condescending. I don't like being associated with that just because I choose to use Macs. I've talked to several people about the ads, and most find them to be offensive because of the elitist attitude. It's not just "Look at how great I am," but it's "Look at how crappy you are, too." Nobody likes being told they're crappy.
Some people I know just dismiss it as an ad for a product they'll never buy. A few told me they ultimately dismissed it before really considering the Mac argument because it seemed like all fluff and no substance (that seems to be a common perception among people who avoid Macs: that they are all about style and not substance). Other people said it actively made them want to do anything to hurt Apple - not only by not buying the products, but advising everyone they know to stay away as well.
I can't think of one person I've talked to who found the ads to be completely positive. The people I know who like Macs were all a bit uncomfortable like me, being stereotyped as smug and elitist.
The big problem with these "hello, I'm a Mac" commercials is that they're an easy target for parodies.
Yeah, they're easy to parody because they're made so simply. Same as the "switch" ads. Speaking of parodies, this one's my favorite:
http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/817.jpg
:D
Exactly. I find the Mac character to be very smug and condescending. I don't like being associated with that just because I choose to use Macs. I've talked to several people about the ads, and most find them to be offensive because of the elitist attitude. It's not just "Look at how great I am," but it's "Look at how crappy you are, too." Nobody likes being told they're crappy.
Some people I know just dismiss it as an ad for a product they'll never buy. A few told me they ultimately dismissed it before really considering the Mac argument because it seemed like all fluff and no substance (that seems to be a common perception among people who avoid Macs: that they are all about style and not substance). Other people said it actively made them want to do anything to hurt Apple - not only by not buying the products, but advising everyone they know to stay away as well.
I can't think of one person I've talked to who found the ads to be completely positive. The people I know who like Macs were all a bit uncomfortable like me, being stereotyped as smug and elitist.
The big problem with these "hello, I'm a Mac" commercials is that they're an easy target for parodies.
Yeah, they're easy to parody because they're made so simply. Same as the "switch" ads. Speaking of parodies, this one's my favorite:
http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/817.jpg
:D
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Sydde
Apr 27, 11:01 AM
I heard his poll numbers are just combed-over from last month.
fragiledreams
Sep 15, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
At Pascack Hills, I have been on computers running NT4 and Windoze 2000, and both have *rarely* crashed on me. However, it's not common for me to see OS X crash on me. Even when I had 10.1 on my iMac 233 for a short time, it did not crash one time.
My point is that as stable as the Windoze OS is, as you point out, OS X, simply put, is even more stable. Although there are some issues with hardware, usually, that's with upgraded hardware, the OS performs very well under the power of the G4.
I have also heard about XP not crashing as much as the previous OSs. So I'll say it as it is: The Windoze OS is improving, but incremently closer to perfect. If an error pops up, at least explain what should be done about.
Ok.. you're right too.... I just don't like the fact that in some threads mac people use the "crapy OS" as a point in order for example to overcome the speed differences. If you like say that you prefer better the GUI in OSX, I don't have any problem with that. But saying that it is crap, bugy or unstable is untrue to say the least.
At Pascack Hills, I have been on computers running NT4 and Windoze 2000, and both have *rarely* crashed on me. However, it's not common for me to see OS X crash on me. Even when I had 10.1 on my iMac 233 for a short time, it did not crash one time.
My point is that as stable as the Windoze OS is, as you point out, OS X, simply put, is even more stable. Although there are some issues with hardware, usually, that's with upgraded hardware, the OS performs very well under the power of the G4.
I have also heard about XP not crashing as much as the previous OSs. So I'll say it as it is: The Windoze OS is improving, but incremently closer to perfect. If an error pops up, at least explain what should be done about.
Ok.. you're right too.... I just don't like the fact that in some threads mac people use the "crapy OS" as a point in order for example to overcome the speed differences. If you like say that you prefer better the GUI in OSX, I don't have any problem with that. But saying that it is crap, bugy or unstable is untrue to say the least.
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Sun Baked
Sep 16, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by fragiledreams
Please stop the stability ************. We are not living in the age of windows 95 any more. Some of you guys live with illusions.
But sometimes fantasy can be so much better than reality.
And if you deviate too much, the drugs they'll give you in the looney bin will really warp your mind.
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Note: the above post has no basis in reality. But for those that have always used Apples, sometimes it's really hard to think like a PC user without drugs.
Please stop the stability ************. We are not living in the age of windows 95 any more. Some of you guys live with illusions.
But sometimes fantasy can be so much better than reality.
And if you deviate too much, the drugs they'll give you in the looney bin will really warp your mind.
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Note: the above post has no basis in reality. But for those that have always used Apples, sometimes it's really hard to think like a PC user without drugs.
lucifiel
Nov 17, 09:36 PM
That $130k will all go to the lawyers, even if he is able to establish that he has a legal "right" to sell those parts, and I think that'll be a challenge.
Shame the teenager isn't in Australia or England where the loser pays the winner's legal costs.
Shame the teenager isn't in Australia or England where the loser pays the winner's legal costs.
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nagromme
Oct 11, 02:09 PM
The article is a little vague, but in my view any device that allows access to the Internet (even at home) is a serious problem that companies really need to forbid. Because people could use the Internet to learn about other job opportunities, or even send resumes. A happy worker is a worker in the dark.
springscansing
May 6, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Chill out, springscansing. Either this guy is a troll, and not worth it, or he's actually looking for discussion and not a flamefest.
Give him a chance.
Must bash troll, must bash troll!
Honestly, just looking for something to do while I debug this stupid ass program. Takes about 5 minutes between results, so I get boredish.
Chill out, springscansing. Either this guy is a troll, and not worth it, or he's actually looking for discussion and not a flamefest.
Give him a chance.
Must bash troll, must bash troll!
Honestly, just looking for something to do while I debug this stupid ass program. Takes about 5 minutes between results, so I get boredish.
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IntelliUser
Apr 8, 07:30 AM
So we're on our way to a government shutdown because the Tea Party Republicans want to kill Planned Parenthood and Big Bird. How ****ing sad.
Uhm, yeah, there's also the Democrats who could've passed a new budget quite a long time ago, but were afraid of dealing with their own party.
What's pathetic is the complete lack of common sense between the two parties. They used to know how to work together in the past. Now they can't compromise because of ideological BS. It's a Lose-Lose situation, for the people at least.
It's time to throw the everyone out.
Uhm, yeah, there's also the Democrats who could've passed a new budget quite a long time ago, but were afraid of dealing with their own party.
What's pathetic is the complete lack of common sense between the two parties. They used to know how to work together in the past. Now they can't compromise because of ideological BS. It's a Lose-Lose situation, for the people at least.
It's time to throw the everyone out.
fL1p-
Apr 29, 04:43 PM
Hey everyone!
After a few days of trying to:
a) Wipe the phone / Jailbreak
OR
b) Restore/Update/ Wipe Jailbreak
OR
c) Update and rejailbreak
I came up with nothing.
When I plug my phone into the computer, Itunes notices it, but cannot read any information and thus makes me restore. It downloaded the 4.3.2 firmware and started to get to work. After about 10 minutes it finally said failed. This happened over and over and over. Even using my own firmwares and the shift+click method. (Tried same 4.1, 4.2 and another 4.3.2). Nothing works. I even tried using iREB to put it into "Pwn dfu mode", but still I get errors. Anyone have any ideas?
The next thing I'm going to try to do is use another computer.
Also, what is that thing with changing the hosts file. I don't completely understand what it does and if it would help.
Again, thanks!
PS:
Fix my phone :(
After a few days of trying to:
a) Wipe the phone / Jailbreak
OR
b) Restore/Update/ Wipe Jailbreak
OR
c) Update and rejailbreak
I came up with nothing.
When I plug my phone into the computer, Itunes notices it, but cannot read any information and thus makes me restore. It downloaded the 4.3.2 firmware and started to get to work. After about 10 minutes it finally said failed. This happened over and over and over. Even using my own firmwares and the shift+click method. (Tried same 4.1, 4.2 and another 4.3.2). Nothing works. I even tried using iREB to put it into "Pwn dfu mode", but still I get errors. Anyone have any ideas?
The next thing I'm going to try to do is use another computer.
Also, what is that thing with changing the hosts file. I don't completely understand what it does and if it would help.
Again, thanks!
PS:
Fix my phone :(
Dreadnought
Jul 16, 06:40 AM
Version 2.5 of the widget i have running here, i think i'll send it out in about two and a half year, does just that. It only 'speaks' every three hours though, when the stats are updated.;) I think the 2.5 years have passed, so it's time for another update!
MattSepeta
May 2, 12:31 PM
No major changes. Some new wacko will step up and fill the fresh void.
That being said, it is a HUGE moral victory for us and our troops.
That being said, it is a HUGE moral victory for us and our troops.
wsteineker
May 26, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by Ryan1524
i'm just curious about all the people that stated how PCs are troublesome when we're adding hardwares. after i installed XP, i did not even installed any driver and everything was recognized as soon as i plugged them in and working in no time, from keyboards, mouses, to routers, scanners, graphics cards, printers, digital cameras. i had the drivers ready, expecting the onslaught of hardware setup wizard typical of 98, but instead, there's the little pop up box near the system tray that stated that these hardwares have been recognized, drivers installed, and ready for use. and sure enough, they are. as for the hardware incompatibilities, remember that PC hardwares and softwares are made by two different companies, while any apple computers ae assembled and prepared by on company who manufactured both. therefore, they KNOW what their software needs in order for them to work perfectly.
Ok, here's a nightmare for you just to illustrate the kind of headaches we're talking about. First, let me start by saying that I upgraded my Cube from OS 9.2.2 to OS X 10.1 all the way through 10.2.4 with no problems, and that I recently installed a Pioneer A05 DVD-R/RW in my Quicksilver tower without so much as a hiccup. So on to my Windows XP hell...
Here's the deal. I was running a Dell with Windows 98 SE, all updates and service packs installed. The system specs were as follows: 1.2 GHz P4, 1 GB RDRAM, 80 GB HD, DVD ROM (all stock) and a Geforce 3 Ti and Sony CDRW (upgrades). Everything was hunky dory, but I was wondering what this new Microsoft OS was about. A buddy of mine is an IT admin and was just RAVING about the thing, so I figured I'd give it a try. His company bought XP on a corporate license (without the hardware registration and activation, and with one token serial for the entire company) so he gave me a copy just to try out. I appreciatively installed it on my machine which well outpaced the recommended minimum config, and got to work. The install crashed twice, but I managed to get past that.
Once I had successfully installed, I realized that everything was running well. I went to the prefs pane to take care of that Fisher-Price My First Interface (TM), and everything was fantastic. It really was more stable, though not so much so that I never crashed at all. In fact, I still crashed once a day, but that was so much of an improvement over 98 that I didn't complain. The only real problem I had for the better part of a month was that every time something went south the machine asked me if I wished to send an error report to Microsoft. Ugh.
So things are great for around 3 weeks when all of the sudden my CDR just stops working. Seriously, just like that. I wake up, boot, and BOOM! It's gone. It's not in My Computer, and I can't use it at all. It's visible in the BIOS, and it's obviously drawing power, but XP just decided that it wasn't welcome anymore. I got in touch with Sony after I was unable to find an XP driver on their site, and they told me that XP didn't actually need drivers. They recommended trying the 2000 Pro driver. That didn't work either, so I called Microsoft. They recommended a reformat. To this day they have no idea what went wrong. No service pack has been able to fix this, and it cost me countless hours (on top of those already detailed) to remove the HD, install it as a slave on a 2000 machine (because it was NTFS formatted) and recover my data to 65 individual CDs. What a nightmare.
My experience may be atypical, but from talking to friends and reading the horror stories here I've come to doubt it. Simply put, XP really is the best OS Microsoft has ever produced (except for 2000 Pro, but we're quibbling). That being said, being a higher grade piece of ***** doesn't count for much. It's still a piece of ***** after all, and it's still got more buggy code than it does functional code. Since I switched to the Mac my life has been simpler. Period. End of story. Even when using OS 9 I never experienced horrors like this. OS X has been a breeze since 10.1 on 3 year old hardware. When was the last time someone could say that about ANY Microsoft OS? Seriously, the only hardware problems I've had at all on my Mac were directly related to bad memory, and that's not the fault of the OS. That's why we bitch and moan about Windows, my friend. That's why. :)
i'm just curious about all the people that stated how PCs are troublesome when we're adding hardwares. after i installed XP, i did not even installed any driver and everything was recognized as soon as i plugged them in and working in no time, from keyboards, mouses, to routers, scanners, graphics cards, printers, digital cameras. i had the drivers ready, expecting the onslaught of hardware setup wizard typical of 98, but instead, there's the little pop up box near the system tray that stated that these hardwares have been recognized, drivers installed, and ready for use. and sure enough, they are. as for the hardware incompatibilities, remember that PC hardwares and softwares are made by two different companies, while any apple computers ae assembled and prepared by on company who manufactured both. therefore, they KNOW what their software needs in order for them to work perfectly.
Ok, here's a nightmare for you just to illustrate the kind of headaches we're talking about. First, let me start by saying that I upgraded my Cube from OS 9.2.2 to OS X 10.1 all the way through 10.2.4 with no problems, and that I recently installed a Pioneer A05 DVD-R/RW in my Quicksilver tower without so much as a hiccup. So on to my Windows XP hell...
Here's the deal. I was running a Dell with Windows 98 SE, all updates and service packs installed. The system specs were as follows: 1.2 GHz P4, 1 GB RDRAM, 80 GB HD, DVD ROM (all stock) and a Geforce 3 Ti and Sony CDRW (upgrades). Everything was hunky dory, but I was wondering what this new Microsoft OS was about. A buddy of mine is an IT admin and was just RAVING about the thing, so I figured I'd give it a try. His company bought XP on a corporate license (without the hardware registration and activation, and with one token serial for the entire company) so he gave me a copy just to try out. I appreciatively installed it on my machine which well outpaced the recommended minimum config, and got to work. The install crashed twice, but I managed to get past that.
Once I had successfully installed, I realized that everything was running well. I went to the prefs pane to take care of that Fisher-Price My First Interface (TM), and everything was fantastic. It really was more stable, though not so much so that I never crashed at all. In fact, I still crashed once a day, but that was so much of an improvement over 98 that I didn't complain. The only real problem I had for the better part of a month was that every time something went south the machine asked me if I wished to send an error report to Microsoft. Ugh.
So things are great for around 3 weeks when all of the sudden my CDR just stops working. Seriously, just like that. I wake up, boot, and BOOM! It's gone. It's not in My Computer, and I can't use it at all. It's visible in the BIOS, and it's obviously drawing power, but XP just decided that it wasn't welcome anymore. I got in touch with Sony after I was unable to find an XP driver on their site, and they told me that XP didn't actually need drivers. They recommended trying the 2000 Pro driver. That didn't work either, so I called Microsoft. They recommended a reformat. To this day they have no idea what went wrong. No service pack has been able to fix this, and it cost me countless hours (on top of those already detailed) to remove the HD, install it as a slave on a 2000 machine (because it was NTFS formatted) and recover my data to 65 individual CDs. What a nightmare.
My experience may be atypical, but from talking to friends and reading the horror stories here I've come to doubt it. Simply put, XP really is the best OS Microsoft has ever produced (except for 2000 Pro, but we're quibbling). That being said, being a higher grade piece of ***** doesn't count for much. It's still a piece of ***** after all, and it's still got more buggy code than it does functional code. Since I switched to the Mac my life has been simpler. Period. End of story. Even when using OS 9 I never experienced horrors like this. OS X has been a breeze since 10.1 on 3 year old hardware. When was the last time someone could say that about ANY Microsoft OS? Seriously, the only hardware problems I've had at all on my Mac were directly related to bad memory, and that's not the fault of the OS. That's why we bitch and moan about Windows, my friend. That's why. :)
kevinkt
Mar 26, 11:19 PM
Play nice boys LOL
twoodcc
Oct 10, 09:04 AM
ehh.. you know wikipedia isn't always right, right?
no one is
no one is
backspinner
Nov 21, 04:31 PM
a problem will be that it needs a thermal difference to work